Why We Rated Our 25-Year Marriage a 6—And What We're Doing to Get to an 8
If it can happen at age 76, it can happen to anyone.
Like many of you, I was shaken by the recent news about Philip Yancy’s eight-year affair with a married woman. It gave me pause and made me reflect. The main insight I walked away with?
You can never stop fighting for your marriage.
If you’re not married, apply that to your relationships. If you want good ones, you can never stop fighting for them.
This type of failure isn’t sudden; it’s gradual. It’s a slow fade. I know because I’ve watched it in my own marriage in different seasons.
Most people think that if you have a good marriage, you can coast, but the truth is that every great marriage is one season of neglect away from becoming a mediocre one. The moment you stop fighting for it, you start losing it. Like anything you fight for, there is no neutral ground. You are either advancing or retreating.
The irony? Even as we'd eventually slip to a 6, we've spent 25 years learning what actually works. We have a good marriage—just one that has drifted into maintenance mode instead of growth mode. The practices I'm about to share aren't theory. They're the rhythms that got us through two decades of marriage and the same ones we're using right now to climb back to an 8.
Simple but Not Easy
At our twenty-fifth anniversary celebration last year, one of our friends shared about all the people he knew in their forties getting divorced. He pointed out our dedication to growing our marriage and asked us to share some wisdom with the group. Here are three things that have kept us together and growing.
1) Never Stop Dating
We certainly haven’t always done this perfectly, but we’ve been consistent. Until recently, it was every two weeks (and sometimes longer), though we rarely went a month without a date. Our kids are older now, and our youngest can stay home by himself, so we’ve transitioned to weekly dates where I’ve noticed something important: spending focused time alone reminds me why I fell in love with Gina in the first place.
In over 25 years of marriage, we’ve both been three or four different people and have changed significantly—for the better. Dating reminds me that we can never stop getting to know each other.
What does this look like practically? Here’s our current rhythm: a weekly coffee date, a monthly dinner date, a quarterly extended date (3-6 hours), and a yearly multi-day getaway. And we like to sneak in an overnighter or two in addition to our annual getaway.
Whatever your rhythm, decide on it together, put it on paper, and schedule it.
2) Never Stop Growing
Marriage (and any relationship, for that matter) is like a plant. It has to be cared for and cultivated if you want it to grow and flourish. After our recent marriage review, we were not where we wanted to be and decided it was time for a marriage tune-up—another round of marriage counseling!
Here’s what investing in your marriage looks like:
Find some marriage mentors—a couple who have been married longer and/or have a better marriage than you. Ask them to meet with you so you can ask them some questions about marriage. Over time, they might even become marriage mentors.
Find a good marriage counselor. They provide a needed second perspective on your recurring problems and share tools you may not have thought of. We’re on a waitlist right now.
Read a marriage book together. Two that I recommend: The 5 Love Languages quiz and book by Gary Chapman, and The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman and Nan Silver.
Do an annual marriage review—the practice we skipped for ten years that let us slide back to a 6.
3) Never Stop Talking
It can be hard to find time to talk when life is in full swing (marriage, kids, and heavy work responsibilities), but find time you must.
Clinical psychologist, author, and Professor Emeritus at the University of Toronto, Dr. Jordan Peterson contends that 90 minutes of weekly conversation is the minimum needed for a healthy marriage relationship. Otherwise, we develop a backlog of communication that affects our intimacy. Simply put, we don’t talk enough, and men, you probably aren’t listening enough.
After we shared those three things, I said, “It’s nothing revolutionary. It's simple stuff.”
To which someone replied, “It’s simple but not easy.”
I couldn’t agree more. Having a healthy and fulfilling marriage is not that complicated, but neither is it easy.
An Embarrassing Admission
I’ve been open about our past marriage struggles.
My wife and I did our first annual marriage review in 2015 and loved it. We asked some tough questions, evaluated how we were doing, talked about what we wanted our marriage to be, and formed a plan to get there. It produced one of the best marriage seasons of our lives for several years.
Sadly, we didn’t do one for another ten years, which is why we recently found ourselves sliding back into mediocrity when we did another review in late 2025. The toughest question of the review: On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate our marriage and why?
Both of us gave it a similar rating.
Her rating: 6. My rating: 6.5.
Not great, I know. Certainly not #MarriageGoals.
But there’s good news, too. The review allowed us to pinpoint where we were falling short and form a plan that we’ve already begun to execute, including:
- A fresh round of marriage counseling.
- A weekly date.
- Reading a marriage book together.
Having a weekly parenting conversation (being on the same page with our thirteen-year-old was a pain point).
Pursuing a hobby together.
Our goal: to move from a 6 or 6.5 to an 8 by June 30, 2026.
Already, by setting our intention and forming a plan, we are seeing improvement.
Mediocrity is easy. Just keep doing what you’re doing. Excellence is hard. It takes constant work and improvement.
Your RHYTHMS Check
This is about your Relational rhythms—good relationships make for a happy life. Because marriage is the centerpiece of your inner circle, and when this primary relationship fails, everything downstream suffers. Much like the heart, where all four chambers must work together, your relational rhythm with your spouse pumps life into every other area.
It’s easy to drift into roommate status, where you coexist but don't truly connect. The slow fade becomes inevitable. Your marriage can drop from an 8 to a 6 or worse without you even noticing.
Never stop dating, never stop growing, never stop talking. When you do, it creates a marriage that advances rather than retreats. You become someone your spouse wants to spend time with. The compound effect of small, consistent investments transforms mediocrity into something worth fighting for.
This week's action step: schedule your next marriage check-in right now. Pull out your calendar and block 90 minutes in the next 7 days—no phones, no kids, just focused conversation. If you're married, give this question to your spouse ahead of time and talk about it during your check-in: "On a scale of 1-10, how would you rate our marriage right now, and why?” Then ask,
What one thing would move our marriage from where it is now to one point higher on a 10-point scale?
If you’re not married, which relationship is in most need of attention right now, and what’s the first step you need to take?
Your turn. Reply to this email and tell me: When's your next date scheduled, and what's the one thing you're committing to do this week to fight for your marriage? I read every response.
Until next time,
Kent
PS - Your Relational rhythm is just one chamber. But it's the one that pumps life into everything else—and it's usually the first thing leaders sacrifice when life gets busy. I'm launching my first RHYTHMS OF REST beta group in February 2026 to help you master all four rhythms before another year slips by. Click the link to be added to the waitlist.
Sources
Philip Yancy’s eight-year affair with a married woman, Christianity Today
The Five Languages of Love quiz and book by Gary Chapman
The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work by John Gottman and Nan Silver
“The Yearly Marriage Check Up,” The Art of Manliness
Jordan Peterson Marriage Advice (90 Minute Rule for a Healthy Relationship), the SRS Daily
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